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Interview: Jon Mess of Dance Gavin Dance

After the breaking of the alleged Jonny Craig scandal involving the selling of MacBooks on Twitter, we at Mind Equals Blown tried to contact several people close to the man for a statement on the issue. Jon Mess of Dance Gavin Dance was kind enough to answer some of our questions on the situation, in a typical Jon Mess fashion.

Read on for his thoughts on how he feels about Jonny, and on how he thinks that the news will affect Dance Gavin Dance. 

MEB: A month ago you interviewed with AltPress and said “So we’re at the point where we’ll see how long we can do this without Jonny dying or whatever.” Is this the “whatever” point, or will the show go on?

Jon Mess: The show will go on, as things pan out we can make a more accurate assessment of how we as individuals and as a band feel, as well as the additional vague assertion that the future is indeed unforeseeable at this point.

MEB: In the same interview, you essentially said that despite Jonny’s antics, it’s part of his entertainment factor. Do you still feel that way?

Mess: Yeah, I would much rather align myself with a more duchampian dadaist philosophy revival, mixed with a post modern anti metanarrative school of thought and put a wet blanket on all these idealistic humanist fucks that are essentially just grasping for identity. Some people lack the capacity to ingest even a smudge of eastern thought, while modernists, indulgent and romanticizing continue to get off on existence.

MEB: When did you first become aware of the alleged scamming? Has anything like this happened in the past to your knowledge?

Mess: The only thing I have really reflected on is how exciting it is to know someone who now has 20+ memes. I’ve always loved a well done meme, and the combination of actually knowing the person is just satirical gold. Honestly, a comedic gem I will forever cherish.

MEB: Have you spoken to Jonny since the accusations? If so, did he speak of them?

Mess: Jonny and I talk through Skype with the sound turned off. We have both been learning sign language recently and “mac book” is a sign neither of us know.

MEB: Do you think the events that are unfolding are an accurate depiction of Jonny Craig as a human being?

Mess: There is no accurate depiction of Jonny Craig that could ever be conceived.

MEB: How does this affect the band? Have you discussed the situation with the other members yet?

Mess: Some kids told me they won’t buy the record, this is unfortunate for everyone involved with the band, besides the band.

MEB: Based on some of the article comments that we have received, are you worried about the potential negative backlash at shows?

Mess: If you attempt to beat up Jonny Craig at a show on our tour, I will be in a secure and hidden location filming with an HD camcorder and a boom mic. I have also always dreamed of having a highly successful YouTube video.

MEB: We’ve received several personal accounts detailing Jonny’s drug use. Stories of him bringing people into the studio to score pills, and other such things. Has this always been going on? How ridiculous has it gotten?

Mess: I’m not gonna start telling tales because I think the real question people need to be asking is, does Jonny Craig have enough ridiculous stories that can be compiled to fill an entire movie or documentary, and would I watch it? The answer is yes, and it will cost $19.95.

MEB: You (as well as most of the rest of the band) have clearly had a rough past with him. Why bring him back for another album? Did anyone expect it to be any different?

Mess: I like everything he did on the album, so mission successful.

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  • I told you he would probably just make jokes. Which isn’t bad by any means. I mean the guy is hilarious. Though, in the end not much information was elicited.

    Entertaining interview nonetheless.

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  • “Jon Mess: Yeah, I would much rather align myself with a more duchampian dadaist philosophy revival, mixed with a post modern anti metanarrative school of thought and put a wet blanket on all these idealistic humanist fucks that are essentially just grasping for identity. Some people lack the capacity to ingest even a smudge of eastern thought, while modernists, indulgent and romanticizing continue to get off on existence.”

    You are fucking retarded. You better sort this mess out because your band is the only way you’ll make any money with your language skills. I dare you to explain this statement.

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    • youre sooo stupid and youre fucking mentally handicapped. hes just joking around with this. obviously he didnt wanna answer seriously about the scandal you dumbass. how stupid are you? hes got another band anyways, and a thing called a job. so does every other dgd member. youre so obviously stupid and should read up on their other interviews. and really? language skills? damn youre honestly stupid and have you head up your ass.

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    • i dare you to explain a troll to me

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      • no madam, it is because you are of an inferior race to us men, what with our massive schlongs and chest hair/tree of life combos
        :D

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    • because sir you are a woman. and a mad one. get back to the kitchen because obvs you don’t understand anything

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  • That quote makes sense to me. Obviously JON MESS is smarter than you jinny craig

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  • DGD is probably over at this album/tour. There’s no way.

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  • Jon Mess has an actual education, something that Jonny Craig will never have because he truly thinks that he is too school for school. If I was born with a golden voice I guess I might be an arrogant drug addict myself. Nonetheless I have enjoyed most of the music Jonny Craig has been apart of, except that modsun collaboration bull shit.

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    • “…he is too school for school” should be on a t shirt. I think bringing Jonny back was a poor decision brought on by Will in order to recapture a sound from battle mountain 1 (in spite of the fact Jonny’s vocal style has changed dramatacily since) and that they should have really stayed with Kurt. I think in order to save the band they need to stick with Kurt, cuz even hearing about Jonny’s bullshit is depressing as fuck

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  • “Mess: There is no accurate depiction of Jonny Craig that could ever be conceived.”

    I think Junkie douche just about covers it.

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  • I really don’t think they’re going to be together next year. No one can put up with an inconsistent fuckhead like Craig; He’s the “friend” no one likes to hang out with but secretly make fun of.

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  • I’m pretty sure I’d enjoy this band just as much if it was just Mess doing the vocals.

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  • “Some kids told me they won’t buy the record, this is unfortunate for everyone involved with the band, besides the band”

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  • i really like dance gavin dance for the fact that there not a traditional screamo or post hardcore or w.e band. they really r amazing but i have doubts that they will still be together this time next year… i really hope that either

    A) Johnny grows up
    B) They get a better/ less Douchey singer

    i hope they get their shit together

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  • “Yeah, I would much rather align myself with a more duchampian dadaist philosophy revival, mixed with a post modern anti metanarrative school of thought and put a wet blanket on all these idealistic humanist fucks that are essentially just grasping for identity. Some people lack the capacity to ingest even a smudge of eastern thought, while modernists, indulgent and romanticizing continue to get off on existence.”

    wat

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  • these responses make me cringe. this guy is so pretentious and thinks he is some kind of genius modern philosopher. you are an idiot Jon

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    • you are an idiot sir. are you mad? your name is ridiculous

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      • Hilarious.

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  • It’s so obvious this dude is just ready to just put Dance Gavin Dance to rest.

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  • This is one of the worst interviews I have ever read. All this guy does is play up his pseudo-intellect while avoiding any real answers. What an annoying vocabulary. I guess only someone like this would be in a band with Jonny Craig, and vice versa.

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  • He was HONEST in his last interview and took hits for it.

    The obvious explanation for his answers if you read his last interview is that there’s no way he can avoid coming under fire from someone without acting sardonic and attempting to humor and patronize everyone. And now you guys are even getting mad at him for that.

    It’s clear that the man’s just trying to say SOMETHING without people getting pissed at him but everyone seems to be making that impossible. The band is clearly over in a little while and he’s just riding it out professionally.

    How would you feel if I came to interview you about your third cousin stealing money from people? It makes no sense. And then what if people became upset at you because of your responses.

    Dude tells it like it is and isn’t ashamed of himself, respect.

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  • I’m pretty sure the whole point of the comments is that he’s not “telling it like it is”

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  • @2, @12, @14

    It’s not pretentious. The point is that it wasn’t even relevant, whether or not it made sense isn’t important at all. You guys got trolled.

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  • Last time he did an interview and actually answered the questions he got shit for it, he had to apologize to people over twitter and it seemed like the rest of the band was upset. Looks a lot like he’s just trying to avoid the questions, he’s not being pretentious.

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  • Any links to the last interview he did? I want to check it out.

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  • I think people might be referring to this interview with Alternative Press

    http://www.altpress.com/features/entry/what_a_mess_dance_gavin_dances_jon_mess_opens_up/

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  • After reading that Alt Press article and this I actually kind of like Jon Mess a little more now(Probably because he has a similar sense of humour to me). Though he is being a little to jokey over the whole thing, which is why it kind of makes him seem like a bit of a douche.

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  • lmao, its like Mess wrote this so jonny wouldn’t understand it.. that way he can’t get mad.

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  • I agree with @18. If you look at the tone these questions were asked in and then look at his responses, there’s really not that much progress being made and you can see the clear difference. He’s answering the questions in a way that won’t make the interviewer ask any more, avoiding providing a legit answer.

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  • They never should have gotten rid of Curt, they\’re gonna regret it. He has his new album coming out soon with his new band while Jonny is driving DGD into the ground.

    I’ve met all the guys from DGD (‘cept for Jonny) and I admire Mess for this interview, no matter how much of douche Jonny is, there’s no sense feuling the fire. Especially when that fire is Jonny Craig.

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  • For everyone saying he dodged all the questions, I\’m going to translate each answer so you can see how he ACTUALLY did answer them all (without causing drama)… Also, this is how I perceive the answers, so dont take it too seriously as it didn\’t come from Mess\’ mouth… just my interpretation of the answers.

    1st answer is very straight forward (not going to bother)

    2nd answer: \”Yeah, I would much rather align…\”
    translated: Duchampian dadaist is an art movement that is kind of
    experimental in sense and chose to declare certain things meaningless like war. Humanists and Idealists are people who focus mainly on human values. Anti-metanarrative means that he is against speaking out on universal values… so what he makes complete sense.
    He would rather take a less focused approach on the situation and let it blow over giving it little meaning instead of focusing solely on it and raging about it for eternity. At least thats what it sounds like based off of his word choices.

    3rd answer: \”The only thing I have really reflected …\”
    translated: It seems as though he is trying to say its not really a big deal to him, which is why he is saying he is more excited about the fact that it has turned into a meme.

    4th answer: \”Jonny and I talk through Skype…\”
    translated: This clearly means no.

    5th answer: \”Do you think the events…\”
    translated: seems like he is trying to say that there is no solid state of Craig. He is always different (in his ways and actions) and therefore there will never be an accurate depiction of him (cuz its always changing).

    6th answer: \”Some kids told…\”
    translated: Basically means either that the band is barely affected financially by album sales (cuz bands usually make most from merch), OR that the amount of people not willing to buy are so few that it doesnt really affect/matter.

    7th answer: \”If you attempt to beat…\”
    translated: Another way of saying any negativity will not have the intended effect on anyone.

    8th answer: \” I’m not gonna start..\”
    translated: Means there is plenty of crazy stories about Craig that you could make a movie about it, but obviously he\’s not gonna tell because that gets really personal and could get him in some trouble for releasing.

    Last question: straight-forward enough.

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  • hahaha, what the fuck kind of douche band is this?

    The singer is a drug fuelled thief we’ll walk past dead in a gutter within a decade, and the bassist full endorses this? fucking retards. The music is mediocre as hell too.

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  • anybody wanna buy a black macbook cheap?!? 600 or better offer!!!

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  • This interview was definitely valueless but if you actually try to interpret his answers, like #25 did, it does make sense. Basically, just read his AP interview where he tells it all like it is (still with his sense of humor). After reading his AP interview my respect for him grew a lot, especially since I don’t remember Jon Mess ever getting much attention. It’s a shame DGD won’t be around much longer, though. I’m with those who say they won’t be around after this tour’s done.

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  • Every statement from Mess with an idea that people can actually comprehend I agreed with. That stuff about eastern religions or whatever wasn’t necessary IN MY OPINION, but that’s what Mess wanted to say. or whatever. Anyway Mess is hilarious. I enjoyed this interview.

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  • Your’e licensed, Jonny Craig got stabbed with a $12,000 syringe.

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  • they’re gonna pull through this, it’s not the first time they’ve lost jonny, and sure, what he did was f*cked, but like Mess said don’t blame the whole band for one persons mistake. Even if you don’t like what jonny did, give the album a chance.

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  • I like how you all make it a point to say he is a drug addict. If he is then that is his choice. This article is about the MACBOOKS not the drugs.
    And if you really stop and think about it, for those of you saying he wasn’t giving serious answers, how do you know he doesn’t feel like it isn’t his place to really say anything?

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  • Mess is a dickbag. He is clearly fucking with you all.

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  • So just so everyone knows. Jonny is clean and off of drugs now. I think this bids well for the future of DGD and any other music he is associated with.

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  • Josh, I really don’t think you can say that Jonny is clean yet. He had like a week of rehab. If he hasn’t taken anything this time next year, then you can say he is clean.

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  • lawl troll

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  • I seriously cannot believe how big a deal everyone is making this.

    A. If you’re stupid enough to try to buy a used macbook through twitter from a post-hardcore vocalist, then you honestly deserve to be scammed.

    B. From what i’ve heard it was quite obvious that the offer to sell these macbooks was satirical.

    C. Everyone was reimbursed by Jonny and/or Rise Records.

    As for everyone thinking he’s a douchebag because he’s addicted to cocaine:

    A. Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

    B. Just because someone is an addict does not make them morally bankrupt.

    C. He is currently in rehab. It takes a strong individual to realize you have a problem, and a stronger one to do something about it.

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    • I don’t know how to put this, but Johnny’s kind of a big deal.
      A. No one deserved to be scammed. He obviously couldn’t get away with it scott-free (no popular artist could get away with publically scamming people) so it makes no sense to expect it’s a scam. It’s legitimately counter-intuitive because you have to expect his behavior to be incredibly stupid and unproductive to think he might do it.
      B. It obviously wasn’t as he took the money.
      C. Yes. His record company bailed his ass out. Like all cases in law, if a thief’s mom pays the nice people he robbed back then everything’s squaresie.
      As for you not alternating numbered and lettered lists:
      A. It makes this no less abhorrent. If you kill someone on cocaine you still deserve to go to jail. If you get caught drunk driving you obviously don’t get to say “well the alcohol impacted my judgement” and get away with it. Fucking up and letting a drug control your life doesn’t make you any less responsible for it.
      B. No, he’s always been morally bankrupt, long before the cocaine. The fact that of all the people he could have swindled for drug money, he purposely targeted his fans just highlights how much of an indifferent asshole he is.
      C. He knows he’s out of the band if he doesn’t do this. There’s no strength factored in here, people basically made him do it. He probably still doesn’t realize he has a problem, primarily because he’s a douchebag.

      Good music though. Mess is still a champ, it’s unfortunate he got saddled with a bum. Hilarious interview.

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  • @My Leg
    In response to your comments:

    A. Even if you believe that one has to be pretty gullible to buy something off twitter, it still does not justify scamming someone. No one deserves to have their own money stolen, regardless of how it got stolen. Also I do not understand what being in a post-hardcore band has to do with him scamming people.

    B. It was most definitely not satirical, if he was in fact being satirical he would have ended any contact with the customers as soon as they were willing to send actual money, if he went through with actually stealing the money then it was not satirical.

    C. It does not matter if they were reimbursed, the point is he stole, he should not be forgiven simply because he (or someone else) returned what was wrongfully taken in the first place.

    D. Cocaine is most definitely a hell of a drug.

    E. It doesn’t make them morally bankrupt, but in this case it certainly does, he scammed fans to gain money for drugs, this behavior was obviously linked to his drug use.

    F. He is no longer in rehab, he was in a detox program for a week. You can’t tell me that someone can go to rehab for a week and be completely rehabilitated from their drug use, and as we have seen with Jonny Craig this is not the first time he has attempted to get clean.

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  • Does anybody else sense a hint of douchery throughout this whole thing? I mean,

    “The only thing I have really reflected on is how exciting it is to know someone who now has 20+ memes. I’ve always loved a well done meme, and the combination of actually knowing the person is just satirical gold. Honestly, a comedic gem I will forever cherish.”

    “Some kids told me they won’t buy the record, this is unfortunate for everyone involved with the band, besides the band.”

    Not a shred of apology. You know why? Because he’s getting high off that stack of cash as well. Someone get this band out of the music business they’re clearly in it for the wrong reasons.

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  • Drugs and Rock n’ Roll go well together.
    Always have.

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  • I love all the people hating on Jon Mess because he gave answers that made no sense.. Guys, you’ve seen his lyrics, he’s kidding. Especially since he got so much shit for the last interview where he actually was honest. If I were him, I’d make up nonsense too. Although I do think DGD won’t last long. Either Jonny will be kicked out again, or the band will just split up. We all know Jonny is a douche, but I just treat him like Charlie Sheen and ignore what he says. Hey, if DGD does break up, we can look forward to more Secret Band stuff I bet, and that’s always a good thing, but I really can’t see this DGD line-up holding up. It’s just a matter of time before Jonny does something even more douchier than the MacBook scam, and mind you that’s an 11 on the scale. Hell, even the members of Isles and Glaciers don’t want to be bothered with him after that, and who can blame them?

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